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Postby lorimike » Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:28 am

90 Million in cap space next year. The Front office and coaching staff is gone. So how do we fix this ?
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby Winnipeg_Skins_Fan » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:00 am

lorimike wrote:90 Million in cap space next year. The Front office and coaching staff is gone. So how do we fix this ?

I’m never a big believer in spending a lot of cap $$$ on other teams FAs.
Re-sign: Cam Kurl, Curtis Samuel, Antonio Gibson
Draft:
R1 - OT Sam Alt
R2 - Edge Princely Umanmeilen
R2 - OC Sedrick Van Pran
R3 - OT Javon Foster
R3 - ILB Tommy Eichenberg
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby lorimike » Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:06 pm

CB Ladarius Sneed of KC held AJ Brown to 1 catch 7 yards last night. I think he will be a free agent this spring.
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Postby SkinsGuru » Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:04 pm

I think i am on the lets see what Howell can do with a real offensive line bandwagon. Is he going to be a top 5 QB? probably not. top 10? maybe, but i do think top 15 at least. So depending on how high we draft, you either take the best OT or if its high enough you can get a kings ransome for one of the QBs coming out you make the trade. We need all the draft picks we can get and if you can turn that #1 into multiple #1's and #2's we, with the right GM (big maybe) could really reap the rewards.
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Postby Farmer Ted » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:02 pm

I am open to anything at the QB position at this point, but I don't want Howell forced on the next coach. He may not be a good fit for the next offense, and sticking with Howell could mean losing out on a blue-chipper who would fit well.

My dream scenario is that we hire a new GM, and during the coach search another team hires Bieniemy as their head coach (Raiders gotta be Raiders). I think that would get us a 3d round comp pick for a minority coaching hire. Then, because LV doesn't have crap at QB, we trade them Howell for two first rounders or a first and a second. We would have enough draft capital to get the QB the next coach wants and rebuild our gawdawful o-line.
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Postby skinsfan93 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:09 pm

I want to keep Sam! He will be on his rookie contract (5th round, not a first round contract) for a couple more years so it gives us flexibility on the cap going after key free agents. He’s only had like 12 starts so he’s essentially a rookie. The guy is tough, has an arm and I like his demeanor. There’s no way we are getting Caleb or Drake so it’s a crap shoot drafting any other qb.
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:43 am

skinsfan93 wrote:I want to keep Sam! He will be on his rookie contract (5th round, not a first round contract) for a couple more years so it gives us flexibility on the cap going after key free agents. He’s only had like 12 starts so he’s essentially a rookie. The guy is tough, has an arm and I like his demeanor. There’s no way we are getting Caleb or Drake so it’s a crap shoot drafting any other qb.
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That would be optimal. But if Jayden Daniels is there with our pick, I don't think the new regime is going to pass on a 6-4 QB with 4.4 speed. Howell becomes the back up. We are at pick 7 right now. Do not be surprised if we move up to pick 3 thru 5 if we keep losing..
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Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:17 am

If I was a defensive player in the NFL the QB I would want to defend is Sam Howell. He's good for several gimme sacks, fumbles and interceptions. He'll complete a pass or two for sure but overall he will most likely help defenses pad their stats.
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Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:45 am

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... -in-top-5/

this mock has us taking Olu Fashanu at pick 7. But I look at the teams picking ahead of us and I could see those teams winning and we end up picking at #3 overall. It should be enough to pick Jayden Daniels at #3 overall without having the to trade any draft capital.
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Postby MissouriSkin » Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:06 am

We don’t need a QB.
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:14 am

MissouriSkin wrote:We don’t need a QB.
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I think that remains to be seen. Let's circle back on this after Thanksgiving. Because it looks like tomorrow is going to be a sack and fumble fest. Pass the gravy! :D
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Postby Farmer Ted » Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:37 am

If Howell gets sacked 70+ times, I'm thinking we will need a QB. I doubt there have been many long-term NFL QBs who have been sacked that much in a season.
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby MissouriSkin » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:15 pm

lorimike wrote:<<<<

I think that remains to be seen. Let's circle back on this after Thanksgiving. Because it looks like tomorrow is going to be a sack and fumble fest. Pass the gravy! :D



Ok. So the o line is a sieve and the O coordinator doesn’t know how to call a game so we need to replace the QB…..got it. Sorry I just think we should upgrade the o-line to somewhere above the worst o line in football before we “just replace the QB”. He’s got a ton of talent and I just think drafting an unknown quantity is just not the smartest thing to do when you can draft the best LT available. Howell has been pretty good for a first time starter when he’s had time to throw.
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby MissouriSkin » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:16 pm

Farmer Ted wrote:If Howell gets sacked 70+ times, I'm thinking we will need a QB. I doubt there have been many long-term NFL QBs who have been sacked that much in a season.


Right but if you fix the o line he won’t be sacked 60 plus times a season so that stat doesn’t matter….
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Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:58 pm

MissouriSkin wrote:Ok. So the o line is a sieve and the O coordinator doesn’t know how to call a game so we need to replace the QB…..got it. Sorry I just think we should upgrade the o-line to somewhere above the worst o line in football before we “just replace the QB”. He’s got a ton of talent and I just think drafting an unknown quantity is just not the smartest thing to do when you can draft the best LT available. Howell has been pretty good for a first time starter when he’s had time to throw.



I think the offensive line needs an upgraded too, but if QB like Jayden Daniels is there he will instantly make the O-line better with his escapability and speed.
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Postby ILikeSonny09 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:24 pm

lorimike wrote:I think the offensive line needs an upgrade too, but if QB like Jayden Daniels is there he will instantly make the O-line better with his escapability and speed.

That's the kind of tack-on argument that was made for guys like Trey Lance and Justin Fields. Forget drafting a quarterback because he's going to instantly make the O-line better with his escapability and speed. The line needs to get fixed, no matter who the quarterback is. You seem to like Daniels enough that you simply want us to take him, period.
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Postby lorimike » Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:57 pm

ILikeSonny09 wrote:That's the kind of tack-on argument that was made for guys like Trey Lance and Justin Fields. Forget drafting a quarterback because he's going to instantly make the O-line better with his escapability and speed. The line needs to get fixed, no matter who the quarterback is. You seem to like Daniels enough that you simply want us to take him, period.
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I know- I am definitely on the Jayden Daniels bandwagon. He's got 5 years of NCAA experience. The QB thing is round 1 is always a gamble. But when you hit on the pick you end up a perennial playoff team.
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Re: Draft/ Free Agency,Coach, GM 2024

Postby ILikeSonny09 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:04 pm

lorimike wrote:<<<

I know- I am definitely on the Jayden Daniels bandwagon. He's got 5 years of NCAA experience. The QB thing is round 1 is always a gamble. But when you hit on the pick you end up a perennial playoff team.


I haven't taken a look at the qbs this year, other than watching some of Caleb Williams getting the rug jerked out from under him by Notre Dame. I'll take a look at Daniels. I was a big fan of drafting Howell two years ago but recognize the new ownership might want to go in it's own direction. How Sam will look after the final slate of games should tell us some things: so far, he's managed to put together some impressive outings despite some clunkers and poor over all team results. I'm convinced we have a much better roster than generally recognized. Our defense in particular has been hamstrung by JDR's schemes, timing and philosophy paired with LB issues, while our offense sorely needs at least a couple of elite linemen. If we fix the offensive line, I can easily project Howell looking like the real deal on a consistent basis.

What I don't like is letting good players leave, one way or another, and then drafting replacements with high picks when we were counting on using those to finally address other long-standing holes. Let's watch the current DEs closely, for example, imagining what a new DC might be able to do with them, before we squander a top pick on a rookie pass rusher. That's my feeling with Howell; instead of drafting a replacement because Howell doesn't look quite good enough behind a mediocre line, get a few top linemen in draft or free agency. If we'd taken Howell in Round 1 we'd be trying to provide him with protection. He's been performing this year as though we did, and the skill players are there- so fix his offensive line. A lot more can be said but I'll quit there tonight.
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Postby skinsfan93 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:38 pm

There’s something to be said about a college qb playing multiple seasons especially in a tough conference so Daniels has that going for him. However I’m not convinced on his throwing mechanics. Yes he seems to be better this year but he was pretty bad last year.

We don’t need a scrambling qb but someone who has the ability to move around the pocket and run if needed. Look at Stroud, he is a pass first qb who by the way had multiple years at Ohio State compared to Haskins and his only one season.

It’s too early to see how things plan out as there will be teams jockeying to move up. No way that Caleb won’t be the first pick in the draft!
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Postby lorimike » Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:10 am

I think Sam Howell is a good Quality back up QB. With where we will be drafting its about time to take a shot at QB
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Postby lorimike » Sat Nov 25, 2023 11:11 am

my mock....
7
Brock Bowers
TE | Georgia
A
39
Jayden Daniels
QB | LSU
A
45
Tyler Guyton
OT | Oklahoma
A
71
Princely Umanmielen
DL | Florida
B+
74
Cooper Beebe
OT | Kansas State
B+
78
TreVeyon Henderson
RB | Ohio State
A
100
Donovan Jackson
IOL | Ohio State
A+
107
Tommy Eichenberg
LB | Ohio State
A+
142
Kamal Hadden
CB | Tennessee
C+
149
Cam Hart
CB | Notre Dame
B+
158
Beau Brade
S | Maryland
A+
184
Curtis Jacobs
LB | Penn State
B+
226
Beaux Limmer
IOL | Arkansas
B+
239
Tyler Baron
DL | Tennessee
B+

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mo ... -simulator
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Postby Riggo » Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:58 am

lorimike wrote:CB Ladarius Sneed of KC held AJ Brown to 1 catch 7 yards last night. I think he will be a free agent this spring.


i would be in favor getting Snead withe right deal. but I hope stoopid has finally ended for the franchise. Then I would love to see us draft Payton Wilson. That guy is a baller and old school fb player. The idiot ex-linebacker coaches we have/had did not get or pursue more backers on their rosters. It's the biggest weakness on that side of the ball and second only to the OLine. Keep Sam while he's on the rookie contract and put the money and picks into Oline, linebackers, and DB's. I hope we lose out because this team is like swiss cheese. You can see holes everywhere.
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Postby Moe » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:53 am

Was travelling over the thanksgiving holiday and mercifully missed both of the last two games. Depressing to see how this is unfolding, but it cements the need for change and with JDR falling it's a clear signal that the old regime is out. Good part of this would be that Washington will, for the first time in a looooooong time, be an attractive destination for a prospective HC for more than just a paycheck. New owner with lots of potential improvements to come, $90m in space, some decent draft capital and a handful of talent on both sides with which to work going forward. The downside is that the needs are significant (oline, LB, Edge, DB) and new coaches mean new schemes which means more change. Some of the existing talent will find a new life, but some will get pushed out.

I don't have any real ideas on potential new coaches. I think EB is worthy of a shot but I'm guessing Harris will meet with a lot of options based on what he sees for this team. I think Howell has shown enough to be given the ball for next season, but of course if a new HC comes in that could change.
Breaking- Frank Reich will be available, Carolina just fired him. Tepper is flying up the list of bad owners.
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Postby MissouriSkin » Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:03 pm

I’m guessing that the Raiders and Panthers regret not keeping their interim coaches…..
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Postby Farmer Ted » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:27 pm

MissouriSkin wrote:I’m guessing that the Raiders and Panthers regret not keeping their interim coaches…..


The only hope Raiders fans have is that Davis sells the team. And the man to make him want to sell the team is Ron Rivera. Raiders fans should be praying that he is the next HC. He is an owner killer if ever there was one.
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Postby MissouriSkin » Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:46 pm

Not sure how you come to that conclusion but ok…..
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Postby Farmer Ted » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:01 pm

Really? The last two teams he coached had their owners bail. Again, if I'm a Raiders fan, I'm praying Ronosaurus comes to town and works his magic a third time.
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Postby MissouriSkin » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:05 pm

I can say with 100% certainty that Ron being the coach at the time had nothing to do with the owners selling. Sorry but the hatred for Ron has gone way over the top. He will be gone in January and then y’all can get on with hating the next coach as soon as he loses a game.
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Postby Moe » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:09 am

^Yeah Ron has just had the good fortune to have been employed when terrible humans who owned teams happened to move along. Richardson had health and age issues and was getting tons of heat for his racist and sexually inappropriate workplace and if he played any part in Snyder leaving, then I think he should get a spot in the ring of honor.
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Postby Winnipeg_Skins_Fan » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:01 am

Washington is up to 5th overall selection in the 2024 draft. Should be able to snag one of the top OTs if we stay at that spot.
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